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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For your snarky, DBZ-Abridged version of the Carter Page deposition and testimony, you have two options.

Ken White at Popehat

Alexandra Petri at the Washington Post.

I am told the real thing (243 page PDF) is less interesting but more crazy.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, he didn't actually say that ?.

Donald Trump 'tells Japanese emperor mass shootings can happen anywhere'

Yes, he did!!! MUHA HA HA HA HA

Not that I mind having a belly laugh, yet I'm really starting to feel bad for you.

For those who don't know
Occurences of mass shooting in Japan since ... well at least 95 : 0
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYTimes had an article yesterdaywith a figure {SEE NICER FIGURE IN DARQ'S POST} which seems to have lost its text (and sorry about the size), but the bottom axis is # guns owned and the vertical axis is # mass shooters/100 million people. that dot way up in the upper right is the US, the rest of the world is down at the bottom left.
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But there is one quirk that consistently puzzles America’s fans and critics alike. Why, they ask, does it experience so many mass shootings?

Perhaps, some speculate, it is because American society is unusually violent. Or its racial divisions have frayed the bonds of society. Or its citizens lack proper mental care under a health care system that draws frequent derision abroad.

These explanations share one thing in common: Though seemingly sensible, all have been debunked by research on shootings elsewhere in the world. Instead, an ever-growing body of research consistently reaches the same conclusion.

The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns.

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If mental health made the difference, then data would show that Americans have more mental health problems than do people in other countries with fewer mass shootings. But the mental health care spending rate in the United States, the number of mental health professionals per capita and the rate of severe mental disorders are all in line with those of other wealthy countries.


oh, and on japan:
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In 2013, American gun-related deaths included 21,175 suicides, 11,208 homicides and 505 deaths caused by an accidental discharge. That same year in Japan, a country with one-third America’s population, guns were involved in only 13 deaths.

This means an American is about 300 times more likely to die by gun homicide or accident than a Japanese person. America’s gun ownership rate is 150 times as high as Japan’s. That gap between 150 and 300 shows that gun ownership statistics alone do not explain what makes America different.

The United States also has some of the weakest controls over who may buy a gun and what sorts of guns may be owned.


the article's conclusion i'm afraid is very true, and says something about us as a country that we seem unwilling to face.
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“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”


half the victims on sunday were children. the shooter apparently was targeting them.

no, mr. president, it can't happen anywhere. only in places where people value their guns more highly than their children.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
NYTimes had an article yesterdaywith a figure

which seems to have lost its text (and sorry about the size), but the bottom axis is # guns owned and the vertical axis is # mass shooters/100 million people. that dot way up in the upper right is the US, the rest of the world is down at the bottom left.
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But there is one quirk that consistently puzzles America’s fans and critics alike. Why, they ask, does it experience so many mass shootings?

Perhaps, some speculate, it is because American society is unusually violent. Or its racial divisions have frayed the bonds of society. Or its citizens lack proper mental care under a health care system that draws frequent derision abroad.

These explanations share one thing in common: Though seemingly sensible, all have been debunked by research on shootings elsewhere in the world. Instead, an ever-growing body of research consistently reaches the same conclusion.

The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns.

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If mental health made the difference, then data would show that Americans have more mental health problems than do people in other countries with fewer mass shootings. But the mental health care spending rate in the United States, the number of mental health professionals per capita and the rate of severe mental disorders are all in line with those of other wealthy countries.


oh, and on japan:
Quote:
In 2013, American gun-related deaths included 21,175 suicides, 11,208 homicides and 505 deaths caused by an accidental discharge. That same year in Japan, a country with one-third America’s population, guns were involved in only 13 deaths.

This means an American is about 300 times more likely to die by gun homicide or accident than a Japanese person. America’s gun ownership rate is 150 times as high as Japan’s. That gap between 150 and 300 shows that gun ownership statistics alone do not explain what makes America different.

The United States also has some of the weakest controls over who may buy a gun and what sorts of guns may be owned.


the article's conclusion i'm afraid is very true, and says something about us as a country that we seem unwilling to face.
Quote:
“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”


half the victims on sunday were children. the shooter apparently was targeting them.

no, mr. president, it can't happen anywhere. only in places where people value their guns more highly than their children.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks! how'd you find the better link? (i took the figure out of my post to stop messing up the forum)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I screen capped the site it and hosted the image on imgur
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per capita would have been better. But interesting to see five times more guns and five times more shootings. Almost like.. There's some sort of.. Connection... Like... Maybe guns.. Kill..? P... Nah lost it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they had another graph that put it on a per capita basis. the only other country (yemen) that had high numbers of guns/100 people also (by sheer coincidence!) had a high number of mass shooters.

but those guys are all terrorists, so it can't possibly have anything to do with the availability of guns. we all know guns don't kill people. terrorists kill people. i guess they somehow infect white people like the guy in texas, and the one in las vegas, and all the other ones who shoot large numbers of people but who clearly aren't terrorists because they aren't muslims. i guess they are like the typhoid marys of terrorism.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it turned out that Don Jr. has been receiving a lot of private messages from the WikiLeaks twitter account for about before and after the election.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/for-nearly-a-year-wikileaks-was-dming-with-donald-trump-jr/

The contents of the messages, for the most part, don't seem to reflect an organization dedicated to shining sunlight on confidential materials or promoting transparency and accountability. They sound like a pure agitprop machine, egging the Trump campaign on. For example, in the event of a loss last November, they recommended NOT conceding defeat.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i'm afraid being holed up in the ecuadorian embassy playing dress-up with his cat hasn't really increased assange's mental stability...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.newsweek.com/president-trump-tweets-about-wrong-mass-shooting-after-california-rampage-711811
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President Donald Trump tweeted about the wrong mass shooting late Tuesday after a gunman launched a gun rampage in California and killed at least four people before trying to enter an elementary school.

On Tuesday evening, Trump tweeted: “May God be with the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI and Law Enforcement has arrived.”

Sutherland Springs is a village in Texas where ten days earlier a gunman had killed 26 people at a church. He had tweeted a similar message after the November 5 attack.

I mean, be fair. Who can keep all these mass shootings straight anymore?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There a bunch of guys in Bowling Green who keep a detailed record since the massacre.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senate Judiciary panel: Kushner had contacts about WikiLeaks, Russian overtures he did not disclose

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President Trump’s adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner received and forwarded emails about WikiLeaks and a “Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite” that he kept from Senate Judiciary Committee investigators, according to panel leaders demanding that he produce the missing records.

Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) and ranking member Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) sent a letter to Kushner’s lawyer Abbe Lowell on Thursday charging that Kushner has failed to disclose several documents, records and transcripts in response to multiple inquiries from committee investigators.

In the letter, Grassley and Feinstein instruct Kushner’s team to turn over “several documents that are known to exist” because other witnesses in their probe already gave them to investigators. They include a series of “September 2016 email communications to Mr. Kushner concerning WikiLeaks,” which the committee leaders say Kushner then forwarded to another campaign official. Earlier this week, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. revealed that he had had direct communication with WikiLeaks over private Twitter messages during the campaign.


Committee leaders said Kushner also withheld from the committee “documents concerning a ‘Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite’ ” that he had forwarded to other campaign officials. And they said Kushner had been made privy to “communications with Sergei Millian” — a Belarusan American businessman who claims close ties to the Trumps and was the source of salacious details in a dossier about the president’s 2013 trip to Moscow — but failed to turn those records over to investigators.

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In addition to the emails and records that Grassley and Feinstein noted as missing, the Judiciary Committee is waiting for Kushner to turn over promised transcripts from his interview with other committees. Kushner has spoken with investigators from both the Senate and House intelligence committees, but has not met with the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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Grassley and Feinstein also wrote that Kushner’s team “should produce” his SF-86 security clearance forms, which Kushner had to update on more than one occasion because he left out contacts with foreign individuals. Kushner’s team has argued that the forms are confidential — an argument the committee leaders do not accept.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm sorry - forms you have to fill out to get approved to work for the government are confidential from the people who could approve your employment??. yeah, nice try. i think all those non-confidentiality agreements trump makes everyone sign makes them think nothing they do can ever be reported.

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“communications with Sergei Millian” — a Belarusan American businessman who claims close ties to the Trumps and was the source of salacious details in a dossier about the president’s 2013 trip to Moscow
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hm. i'm suddenly finding that dossier a lot more believable.
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