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Taemon



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's this long article in a Dutch paper about how Trump managed a whole meeting being "polite and understanding". Everyone was very surprised and praised him for it.

*cries*
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taemon wrote:
There's this long article in a Dutch paper about how Trump managed a whole meeting being "polite and understanding". Everyone was very surprised and praised him for it.

*cries*


You mean this meeting mentionned here?

The fake news media has a different reading on this event. Sad...not
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and we finally got an ambassador! Which isn't insulting at all! A Dutch name doesn't all the best people make.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One reporter told him: “This is the Netherlands, you have to answer questions,”

damn socialists with your fake newsmedia - no wonder everyone hates you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

besides, you ought to be flattered that we even _gave_ you an ambassador! unlike....hm, let's see the list:
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Belize
Dominican Republic
Egypt
Finland
Germany
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Ivory Coast
Jordan
Luxembourg
Morocco
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
South Africa
South Korea
Sweden
Tanzania
Trinidad and Tobago

'course it's not like those are _important_ countries (Rolling Eyes )

admittedly there are a bunch of countries that haven't had ambassadors since before trump - cuba, syria, venezuela, belarus, yemen, sudan - and oddly, no ambassador to the bahamas since nov 21, 2011 - wonder what _that_ is about....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so we've got some additional clarification of trump's immigration views: no one from "shithole" countries.

_such_ a nice man....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason we don't have waves and waves of Norwegians beating down our border walls to get here is that people generally aren't eager to take such a huge quality of life hit for the rest-of-your-lifetime opportunity to deal with literally insane politics and regressive social policies.

To put it another way: why would they want to move to one of those shithole countries like the US?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donald Trump Cancels UK Visit because of "Obama's bad deal"...But
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Trump’s tweet said he was “not a big fan” of the decision to move the US embassy and blaming the Obama administration - though the decision was actually made by the Bush administration


Logical conclusion : Barack Obama is a Timelord!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how they told Trump that if he goes to London, he'll be greeted by booing masses?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taemon wrote:
I wonder how they told Trump that if he goes to London, he'll be greeted by booing masses?


Fox News ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bannon just got subpoena'd by Mueller
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the fakies were finally announced

and some fact-checking.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump's bigoted outbursts have killed workable bipartisan solutions to prevent what is now officially a partial government shutdown. If he had supported the DACA deal we most likely wouldn't have been in this mess. Unfortunately he's so shallow a thinker that always allows the last person he spoke with to direct his outrage for him. In this case, that was the Tea Partiers who pre-empted the Durbin/Graham meeting and worked Trump into a froth over immigration.


Here's something, though. If it wasn't for Trump's behavior sinking all the workable compromises and undercutting his own party in negotiations, I would be blaming Democrats for tying everything to DACA. It has too many echoes of the Republican demands to kill the ACA that shut the government down back in 2013 and it's not something I personally support as a reason to derail funding the entire government (CHIP yes, but DACA no). The narrative that Democrats are behind this shutdown could have legs if enough people are willing to forget or reinterpret Trump's actions as anything other than lethal to the negotiating process and disrupting his own party enough to kill support for any plausible deal. And disturbingly, the largest number of respondents in a CNN poll said Democrats were to blame for the shutdown, even if the answers blaming Trump+GOP combined into a larger share.

It's really not just Trump, a big part of the problem is how extensively the GOP has been taken over by horrifying radical right-wingers to the extent that their proposals are toxic enough that even some in their own party won't sign on to flagship legislation on issues the Republicans normally love like repealing the ACA. If the Republicans weren't shifting so far to the right-wing pole they would be closer enough to the reasonable middle ground of American society to work out compromises on a regular basis instead of trying to do things unilaterally like the single-party system WH legislative affairs director Marc Short apparently wants.


BTW, my opinion on DACA not being sufficient cause to shutdown the government is something most other Americans agree on (see the CNN poll linked above).
During the last shutdown, President Obama was saying it was "entirely preventable if the House chooses to do what the Senate has already done, and that's the simple act of funding our government without making extraneous and controversial demands in the process." I consider an immediate legislative fix for DACA to be one of those extraneous things that shouldn't be tied directly to the budget on the eve of a shutdown.
The only saving grace here is that the Republicans suicided their own deals without the Democrats having to lift a finger.

BTW, my opinion on DACA not being sufficient cause to shutdown the government is something most other Americans agree on (see the CNN poll linked above).
During the last shutdown, President Obama was saying it was "entirely preventable if the House chooses to do what the Senate has already done, and that's the simple act of funding our government without making extraneous and controversial demands in the process." I consider an immediate legislative fix for DACA to be one of those extraneous things that shouldn't be tied directly to the budget on the eve of a shutdown.

The only saving grace here is that the Republicans suicided their own deals without the Democrats having to lift a finger.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would generally agree on not letting DACA (or anything else) being shoved in an effort to force it through; i would even agree CHIP shouldn't be used in this way....except that the only way to get through things that have huge popular and even bipartisan support seems to be by putting a gun to representatives' heads. i mean, CHIP has tremendous support, but it's been what, 4 months since it should have been renewed in a walk? and it only even got on the agenda because the republicans figures it would force democrats to vote to avoid the shutdown. i'm not real pleased that the democrats are putting an ounce of faith in mcconnell's promise to let them debate replacing DACA....but maybe this will put the blame more firmly on the republicans, if mcconnell renegs.


personally, i think the democrats should also insist on negotiating directly with stephen miller and john kelly over immigration reform -maybe if they make it clear that trump is just their mouthpiece, trump will ditch them (at least miller, what a toad).
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