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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of these pops up every couple of years... but... 1 in 4 Americans think sun orbits the Earth... which is actually higher than the Europeans asked.

So, we got that going for us, which is nice.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 in 3 Europeans, yikes Shocked

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only 48 percent knew that humans evolved from earlier species of animals


I'd be interested to know how strong the correlation is between getting these two questions wrong
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of these pops up every couple of years... but... 1 in 4 Americans think sun orbits the Earth... which is actually higher than the Europeans asked.

So, we got that going for us, which is nice.


And this is why: http://youtu.be/kkCwFkOZoOY?t=13s
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
Yinello wrote:
The zoo part is a nonsense. They had asked other zoos and they wouldn't take him. A private group had wanted him but they weren't affiliated with legal instances thus providing no certainty he'd be taken care of properly.

Animals get put down all the time when there's too many of them. At least Marius got to be useful after death. I don't get why people are making a big deal about this when they couldn't give a flying toss about the chickens and cows in their supermarket.

The article says Yorkshire Zoo had the capacity to take him and the Copenhagen zoo declined, saying the space at Yorkshire Zoo should be used for a "genetically more important male."


Weird, our news said that no zoo would take him. I'm starting to wonder where they got their sources now.

@Darq: Giraffes are endangered? Where'd you get that from? My google fu fails me.

@ no one in particular: Also why does it matter if an animal is dissected for children? They learn about the animal, sounds pretty educative to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Weird, our news said that no zoo would take him. I'm starting to wonder where they got their sources now.

I don't know. The BBC article I linked to quotes Bengt Holst, the scientific and conservation director at the Copenhagen zoo, as saying the Yorkshire wildlife park should keep its available capacity for a giraffe with the best genes.

I have issues with zoos in general (I'm conflicted about their benefit to species at large versus their harm to individual animals), so having zoos kill animals when other zoos would take them makes me even more wary of their overall cost-benefit ratio.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the wikipedia article is pretty thorough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marius_%28giraffe%29

one thing it mentions that I didn't know is that there were tens of thousands of signatures on a petition to save the giraffe since they announced its slaughter beforehand

one thing it doesn't mention that I heard somewhere is that the director of Columbus zoo was offering a significant sum of money as well

what this all boils down to, I think, is that someone wanted to kill a giraffe, so they did
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Giraffes are endangered?

some subspecies are
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what this all boils down to, I think, is that someone wanted to kill a giraffe, so they did

I think the evidence is spotty.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, yeah, both positions you can take on this are neck-and-neck, really
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Darq: Giraffes are endangered? Where'd you get that from? My google fu fails me.


Main wiki article on giraffes, third paragraph. Verified here: http://www.iucnredlist.org/search I' could be wrong, but I believe the rest that are endangered are considered 'threatened'.

I'm not entirely against the idea behind, I mean nature is nature and feeding it to the lions seems to make sense, but emotional and conservation arguments aside, it just seems like bad PR in general.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reticulated giraffe, the subspecies to which Marius belonged, is not endangered. I don't think the zoo would have culled him had he been of an endangered subspecies, though I don't know.

My only issue with it is that other zoos wanted him, had the space, and adequate facilities. So, the only relevant argument that I can see is that of genes: that an animal may be of such low quality genes as to not only warrant not breeding, but destruction. I don't doubt that the Copenhagen zoo has the right to make that decision for itself, but I'm curious why it (or any zoo) gets to be the sole arbiter of whether an animal is destroyed when other adequate homes are available.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poet and activist Hashem Shaabani executed for "sowing corruption on earth, propaganda against the Islamic Republic and acting against national security".
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Four of the king's men in California beat a man unconscious for using sign language to tell them he's deaf.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/02/14/65377.htm

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LOS ANGELES (CN) - Clueless Hawthorne police beat and Tasered a deaf man as he signaled to them that he was deaf and his friend had loaned him the snowboard he was carrying, the man claims in court.

In a federal complaint for violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act, Jonathan Meister claims the attack could have been avoided had Hawthorne trained its police officers to communicate with the deaf and hard of hearing.

Officers confronted him on Feb. 13 outside a friend's home as he picked up a snowboard and winter clothes for a trip to Utah, Meister says in the lawsuit.

Meister says he used hand gestures to try to tell police he is deaf and was lawfully at the home.

The cops were having none of it. They "shot Taser darts into Mr. Meister, administered a number of painful electric shocks, struck him with fists and feet, and forcibly took him to the ground," he says in the complaint.

Officers kicked and punched him in the back and stomach, choked and Tasered him, delivering "punishing shocks" and intentionally "burning his flesh," Meister claims.

He says four defendant officers took part in the attack: Jeffrey Salmon, Jeffrey Tysl, Erica Bristow and Mark Hultgren.

After he was knocked unconscious and taken to a hospital, he cited for assaulting the officers and released, but the charges were dropped.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:

mouse wrote:
what's probably more relevant is that they aren't dissected in front of children.


cows and frogs are, though



.....wow. the biggest we ever did was a fetal pig. you school must have had mad space - or was there just one cow for the whole class? because if everyone got their own cow.....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:

@ no one in particular: Also why does it matter if an animal is dissected for children? They learn about the animal, sounds pretty educative to me.


it is very educational, but also very real. and some people are not real big on letting their kids know about some of the realer aspects of life. like, not explaining to the kids that chickens don't just magically disassemble themselves and wrap themselves in plastic, like they are in the supermarket.

i dunno, that may be more an american thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Istancow wrote:
Poet and activist Hashem Shaabani executed for "sowing corruption on earth, propaganda against the Islamic Republic and acting against national security".


i followed a link in that story and got to this:
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Iranís justice minister says there is ďno needĒ to execute a convicted drug smuggler who survived a botched hanging.

Mostafa Pourmohammadi said executing the man would harm the countryís image, the semi-official ISNA news agency reported.


executing a peaceful poet, apparently not so much.

some days one despairs for the human race.
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