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Bogy



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This article from the SPLC describes some of the history of the ARA and SHARP. Given the choice between nazis and ARA I know which group I support.
But one of the members does consider a better way. This is from way at the end of the article.
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Still, he can’t help wondering whether maybe there was a better way to have handled that particular anti-racist action. “I keep telling myself that maybe if I had been there, I would have said, guys let’s handle this in a different way, but in the heat of the moment, you never know,” he says. “Morally and ethically, I can never see myself running up into a crowded restaurant and laying waste to some boneheads.”


Recently, he watched a video of more than 100 demonstrators, protesting a rally held by the National Socialist Movement and a batch of Klansmen in Charlotte, N.C., last November. Many of the demonstrators, who outnumbered the Nazis, were dressed as clowns, with rainbow-colored wigs and big red noses. They honked horns, rattled noisemakers, blew whistles, threw flour — “white flour”— in the air every time a Nazi shouted white power.

“The clowns made the Nazis look like fools,” Nomad says. “I must have called eight to 10 people and said, ‘Dude, you’ve got to see this video.’ It was absolute genius.”

No one got hurt. No one went to prison. No one heard the Nazis.

The people were too loud.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, want to also add that friends of mine, other pastors who were in Charlotte to protest the nazis and kkk, were saved from injury or worse by members of ANTIFA.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bogy wrote:
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“Morally and ethically, I can never see myself running up into a crowded restaurant and laying waste to some boneheads.”

That's not what happened though, the Nazis came to *them*. I was in the same scene in the same time, in another country, and I sort of recognise this. Fewer Nazis and less violence, fortunately.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. I'm fine going TO the nazis with clowning. But nazis do not get to ACTIVELY ENTER a space and have an expectation of pacifistic resistance.

I mean I am okay with if people dress as clowns

and then

punch the nazis

as clowns

that's legit a-ok with me.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soooooo some new news bout why SWERFs and their views are shitty:
https://nypost.com/2018/03/04/the-best-way-to-fight-sex-trafficking-is-to-legalize-prostitution/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:






I have former friends who became nazis https://youtu.be/Ybpqo8D1j5g

I went to this. I knew people in half the bands.

http://www.mtv.com/news/150151/ska-against-racism-tour-highlights-skas-roots/
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SKA AGAINST RACISM TOUR HIGHLIGHTS SKA'S ROOTS
TOUR CARRIES MESSAGE OF RACIAL TOLERANCE AND REMINDER OF SKA'S ORIGINS.

ARCHIVE-RANDY-REISS
04/01/1998
The way Vinnie Lee, drummer for ska-punkers Less Than Jake, sees it, the

type of ska that has become popular over the past year has nothing to do

with the music's colorful and politically outspoken past.

"It's totally forsaken its political roots," Lee said Monday.

"Party ska bands get radio play, but if you look at a more politically minded

group like Less Than Jake, you'll never see them on the radio."

In an effort to remind people where ska came from as well as raise public

consciousness about racial tolerance, Lee and his bandmates agreed to headline the Ska

Against Racism tour.

Hoping to encourage racial tolerance through the musical event, Ska Against

Racism -- which opened last Thursday with a tour stop in Auburn, Wash. --

features headliners Less Than Jake joining a ska army that includes the

Toasters, Blue Meanies, Mustard Plug, Five Iron Frenzy, MU330 and Kemuri,

along with tour organizer and former Skankin' Pickle member Mike "Bruce Lee"

Park.

Also along for the ride on the 35-date tour -- which heads through major cities,

including Dallas next Wednesday, New York on April 23, and Denver on May 5

-- are Anti-Racist Action, Artists for a Hate-Free America and the Museum of

Tolerance, each of whom will raise money through the proceeds for the event.

The tour ends May 10 with a stop in Helena, Mont.

Park said he agreed with Lee's assessment of the ska scene and had organized the tour as a

direct response. "It was like, let's remember what the original idea

behind ska was," Park said in reference to the genre's diverse roots. To get

things rolling, Park said he called up his friends in a wide variety of ska bands,

all of whom were eager to be involved. "There was no stress," Park said.

"They were all, like, 'cool, we'll do it.' "

The tour has thus far played three dates, and by all accounts it has been a

success. "I've been walking around and selling merchandise after my set,"

Park said, "and I've had a lot of people thank me for putting this

together."

Robert "Buck" Hingley, frontman for the Toasters and a participant in anti-racist

concerts for 15 years, said he was confident that this event would have an

impact on its audience both musically and philosophically. "I think people are

into it," he said. "The average age of the audience is younger than we're used to

playing to, but they seem really, really aware of the issues."

According to Jonathan Boyer, musical liaison for the Museum of Tolerance,

the younger skew of the Ska Against Racism audience is precisely the reason

why the museum wanted to be involved. "The truth of the matter is, in my

opinion, that kids get their political and racial views from home discussion,

either directly or just by osmosis," Boyer said. "While it may not be proper to

question their parents' beliefs at home," he continued, "maybe they'll relax

enough while listening to the music to become open to different views."

While he acknowledged that "after a few beers, a lot of people show their true

colors," Boyer also said he thought that a concert setting was an

ideal place to educate people about tolerance. "In a rock 'n' roll atmosphere, we

can catch as many people as possible and hopefully establish

some building blocks toward tolerance," he said. "If we reach just one

person, then it's great. If that one person is proactive with the

information and grows wings," he continued, "that's even better."

For his part, Park wants people to walk out of the show with a smile on

their face and information in their brain. "I don't expect people to walk

out of the show thinking 'let's go smash racism now,' " Park explained. "But

I do want them to come out thinking that it was an amazing show that was a

positive atmosphere. I want them to feel good about tolerance."


NJHC!PAHC! NYHC!

This shit is all true.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the second I started reading this thread I knew we'd soon be punching nazis.

not punching nazis leads to or stems from normative moral relativism, which is not the line we should want or expect from terfs of swerfs.

in order to avoid "there is no right or wrong, only what I - a messed up sack of misfiring neurons - believe," morality must be activity discovered, clear-headed, reciprocal and scientific. this is why nazi-punchers don't turn into nazis. this is also why all sorts of other sorts, terfs included, are self-deluding hypocritical fascists.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going out of topic a bit here, but this is the current feminism threat so I'm sorry if I'm derailing it a bit. Feel free to call me out on it.

So, not too long ago there had been a protest in Argentina after the case of a mom breastfeeding in public who was harassed and almost detained by a couple of female cops. It ended on a huge manifestation in which lots of mothers did the same. I'm not sure there is a clear meaning to that sort of expression, but that's not the point.

In Argentina it's completely legal to breastfeed wherever, and it seems like a lot of feminist manifestations have to do with cases of cops that don't know the law well enough, but it did leave me thinking, what are the laws regarding it where any of you live? Are moms commonly demanded to stop breastfeeding? Is that considered a feminist issue?

This is mostly me being curious. While I believe that breastfeeding is an act without shame and that it should be done wherever is most comfortable for the woman, I'm not exactly trying to make a point right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never really notice it, but did see when I flew recently that the airports have special privacy kiosks for moms to breastfeed/pump in after the security checkpoint.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is way late... I'm probably bumping something that everyone else wants to see off the front page. I'd have said more here, but all I could come up with was a pithy little comment, along the lines of "well, my personal position as a trans* person means I have nothing to contribute"... that's still all I can think to post about this.

So, I'll post something, by someone more articulate than I am:

https://medium.com/gender-2-0/i-am-a-cis-woman-you-are-a-trans-woman-and-here-is-why-that-distinction-does-not-matter-ad76ac4121e6
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reasonablymad wrote:
the second I started reading this thread I knew we'd soon be punching nazis.

not punching nazis leads to or stems from normative moral relativism, which is not the line we should want or expect from terfs of swerfs.

in order to avoid "there is no right or wrong, only what I - a messed up sack of misfiring neurons - believe," morality must be activity discovered, clear-headed, reciprocal and scientific. this is why nazi-punchers don't turn into nazis. this is also why all sorts of other sorts, terfs included, are self-deluding hypocritical fascists.

Since I don't believe I'm the one who originally brought up punching Nazis, I don't believe I am taking this thread off topic. Just in case someone does not know the proper technique for punching Nazis, here is a handy tutorial.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pretend you're punching THROUGH the nazi
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the videotaped punch on spencer, while a golden ray of all which is good in this world, was actually executed with poor form, kind of a mix between an attempted punch and an elbow.

in contrast, let's take a look at a good punch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9afJV84tc

straightforward form, puncher is in good range, you can see here what i'm talking about. THROUGH the nazi. pretend you are punching THROUGH your target
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe in the future we'll have gym regimens that make punching through fascism like doomguy a reality

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
I'm going out of topic a bit here, but this is the current feminism threat so I'm sorry if I'm derailing it a bit. Feel free to call me out on it.

So, not too long ago there had been a protest in Argentina after the case of a mom breastfeeding in public who was harassed and almost detained by a couple of female cops. It ended on a huge manifestation in which lots of mothers did the same. I'm not sure there is a clear meaning to that sort of expression, but that's not the point.

In Argentina it's completely legal to breastfeed wherever, and it seems like a lot of feminist manifestations have to do with cases of cops that don't know the law well enough, but it did leave me thinking, what are the laws regarding it where any of you live? Are moms commonly demanded to stop breastfeeding? Is that considered a feminist issue?

This is mostly me being curious. While I believe that breastfeeding is an act without shame and that it should be done wherever is most comfortable for the woman, I'm not exactly trying to make a point right now.


Every year there's some hubhub. When the yellow press has a slow news day, they run a story about public breast feeding. Comment sections are quickly heated and from what I gather the problem is that people, especially women, find the whole act disgusting. Which is interesting, because... You're women, you're probably going to do that someday or not, but that is the function of your breasts and that's how the cookie crumbles. I don't feel weird drinking cow's milk and I think it's pretty much the same thing.

According to the comment sections some young men who haven't seen enough boobs yet or have learned the Mastery Of The D, find the bare boob attractive and tend to stare. Even when I was a young chap, I never did. The instant a woman picks up a baby, she becomes a mother and that's, in my brain, non-sexual thing. Is this TMI? This is probably TMI.

I have yet to see anyone breast feed publicly so I think it's rather rare. I have seen someone breast feed in a bus though. But not like in a park or restaurant or in the streets. Nobody bothered that woman in the bus, but someone breast fed in a restaurant and was told to do that in the toilet by a bouncer.

The law... Uh, it's probably not illegal? There's some hazy law about 'indecent exposure in public' I think is the term, which basically states that you can be as naked as you can get as long as it doesn't cause commodity in the public. I have never heard of mothers being arrested because of it and streakers just get told to put some clothes on. Restaurants are different, because they're not considered public places. So they can prohibt (sp) breastfeeding.

Same thing all in Scandinavia, I suppose. Sweden now has a law that protect public breast feeding though.

Is it feminist issue? I think it's more of a mother issue. Baby's rights issue. Human rights issue.
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